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and we knew that, but the democrats don't seem to be pounding this every day to the american people that what the republicans are after, the big three, and the poor and the elderly and the middle class americans, they had nothing to do with with any of this. and give me your closing comment here. are the democrats losing the narrative here? is the white house losing the narrative on the cause of why we are where we are and who ought to be paying? >> well, you're right. in 2000, there was a $5 billion surplus at the end of the clinton administration. the fight is in us. we realize the voters are tired. but it's always good. there's a phrase that said if you don't remember the past, you're doomed to repeat it. it's good to refresh our memories on costly wars, big tax cuts, medicare part d.
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that was a six-hour vote and there were republicans chasing people around the walls of the house of representatives trying to get that last vote and of course, the crisis on wall street. by the way, as you know, they've regained all the money they lost on the principles of president obama. i know he has a heart of caring. we've got to restate this principle and you are right. it's our commitment. we're not letting go of medicare, medicaid and social security. medicaid is a premise of the affordable care act. >> even if it puts you at odds with the president? >> i'm an optimist and i truly believe the president has a real good heart and he's still willing to listen. we're against the changed cpi. but we're keeping the doors open. we want to hear what the president has to say and i always believe that he has an open mind and an open heart. but it's up to many of us. to keep the fight going. >> we are going to find out.
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no question about it. thanks for your time tonight. i appreciate it. >> thanks. >> and that is the ed show. tomorrow night at 8:00 eastern, my exclusive interview with the man who shot the 47% video. good evening, rachel. >> i'm so looking forward to that. thank you for joining us this hour. ed schultz is going to be joining us later this hour because his show has landed a really big scoop that is going to be airing tomorrow night. i want to get a chance to talk to ed about what they've got. it's coming up later to be the. but there's lot going on today. the president meeting with the sultan of brunei. also, chuck hagel. who just returned from afghanistan. that trip marked by two u.s. soldiers killed. also, we learned today that the helicopter crash in southern afghanistan killed five u.s. service members. although no word of enemy involvement. the house republicans unveiled
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their big budget ideas. the senate acted on gun measures. every day now, we await news on who will be the next pope. all eyes on the nbc news live camera of the sistine chimney, watching for white smoke. and naming a freeway in dallas after george bush and today, another pointless marathon involving the name og f a judge. this one might be a record. republicans in the u.s. senate stalled this goi's nomination for 484 days and then, they all voted for him. unanimously. 91-0. so, why the 484-day wait? why not?
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because they can. there's lots going on in the world and lots to get it this hour, but we begin with this. this is a piece of legislature introduced by john f. kennedy when he was a senator from massachusetts. we rep jfk now as a remark remarkably young president. a fresh face, an outsider defeating the old establishment guy. richard nixon. but he was not new to washington. when he won the white house. he had been a congressman, first elected in 1946, then a senator elected first in 1952 and re-elected in 1958 and while he was a senator, in that year that he was running for re-election in 1958, john f. kennedy introduced this legislature. a bill to ban the importing into the united states of guns or ammunition manufactured for military purposes. now, the most popular weapon like that at the time looked like this. it's an italian rifle called a carkano. this was the most popular foreign firearm, originally
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manufactured for military purposes sold in the united states at the time kennedy introduced a bill that would have banned the sale of this gun. if you want to get a better look at this gun, here's another view. the man holding the rifle is in this photo is lee harvey oswalt who went on to kill john f kennedy with that gun in 1963. mr. oswald bought that gun by mail legally using a coupon he clipped out of the american rifleman magazine, the magazine of the nra f. he was able to buy that gun he used to kill the president because of the bill that jfk introduced that would have banned the sale was defeated by the nra. he bought the gun in 1963 and killed president kennedy with it in november of that year.
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this year marks 50 years since the assassination. in the aftermath, there was a great imptous to reform the lawes. gallup showed that more than 80% of the country wanted congress to enact the strictest restrictions possible. they believe not able to get anything through congress. bought legally by his assassin that would not have been legal to buy. that apparently was not enough. it was not until the president's brother was also assassinated and martin luther king jr. was assassinated in 1968 than did
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got done at the federal level and even then, it was just barely. lbj announced bitterly he did finally get through. >> guns are to be kept out of the the hands of the criminal. and out of the hands of the insane and out of the hands of the irresponsible, then we just must have licensing. if the criminal with a gun is to be tracked down quickly, then we must have registration in this country. the voices that block these safeguards were not the voices of an aroused nation. they were the voices of a powerful lobby, a gun lobby. that has prevailed for the moment. in an election year. we have been through a great
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deal of ainge wish these last few months and years. too much ainge wish to forget so quickly, so now, we must complete the task with with this long needed legislation begins. we have come a long way. we have made a lot of progress, but not near enough. >> that was lbj speaking in 1968. it is our successive national traumas in gun violence that have brought about gun reform when we have been able to get it and even then, it has been really hard. jfk's assassination itself did not bring about gun reform. the assassinations in 1968 did eventually drive some that year, years later. that's how we got serial numbers on guns in 1968, but they weren't able to do anything after what happened in '63. when we got background checks, the bill that did that was named
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after james brady, press secretary to ronald reagan. mr. brady was almost killed in the attempt. after presidential candidate george wallace was shot five times, paralyzed and nearly killed in an assassination attempt, the a.p. reports that nixon could be heard on the oval office tapes after the assassination attempt musicing about how handguns should be restricted in this country, although nixon never really did anything about it. it is national trauma that makes us act. that makes us act on this as public policy, but not every trauma be gun violence results in action. >> trauma most fresh in our mind is newtown, the massacre of school children in connecticut in december. the effort the make sure this is one of the tragedies we do
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respond to, that it does result in some concrete change, that effort is unrelenting, from the white house down. >> the tragedy that occurred at sandy hook elementary school has had a profound impact on the psyche of the american people. there have been other mass murders, tragic events at virginia tech, columbine, the sikh temple, but this one senseless act at sandy hook, senseless slaughter of 20 6 and 7-year-olds, children, babies, six brave school staff and it's not -- brave school staff who actually tried to protect these kids. all day. a senseless act. that has not only shocked the
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american conscious, but has i think changed and galvanized the attitude of the american people. demanding some concrete action. we can't remain silent. >> vice president joe biden speaking today at the national league of cities. also today, the democratic front-runner for the open senate seat in massachusetts, today, he started running this ad saying effectively, we should put me in the senate and if you do, i will make it my mission to make sure we respond to newtown with actions and not just words. yesterday, this ad ran. in the des moines register, this is actually a two-page newspaper ad. it covers two full pages. it's a letter from the clergy, the religious leaders of that town to chuck grassley of iowa asking him to support gun reform. all the other signatures, all the fine print, clergy and leaders from all across the country.
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today, 26 cyclists, one for every victim in newtown arrived in washington at the end of a 400 mile ride to ask for a concrete reaction and not just words. they were joined on the final leg by members of the virginia tech cycling team. for reasons that you can understand. two of the riders today are the parents of a child from sandy hook. the political pressure against gun reform is always there. it's always there. everything you look at in this country that's ever happened on gun reform. you can also see the political pressure there on the other side. it always looks like it does now, but it is being met by a political force for gun reform that appears to be definitely equal if not greater, both in magnitude and intensity and commitment and that organized pressure is buoyed by the fact that gun reform has the country. a "washington post" poll today on gun policy.
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asked americans if they support universal background checks for anybody who wants to buy a gun. the nra opposes that, but what proportion wants checks? the proportion is is 91%. 90 freaking 1%. for comparisons sake, if you ask the american people, do you support capitalism, 64% yes. do you like italian food? 85% less. is it important to take a vacation? 61% say yes. universal background checks, it's at 91. they're more popular than italian and vacations. when the senate judiciary commitment today moved a bill, through committee. do you want to know how many
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republicans voted for universal background checks on the economy? zero. the vote was 10 to 8. all republicans voted against. democrats voted for. with 91% support. tell me how this ends for the republican party. joining us now is the congresswoman who represents newtown. nice to be here. i know today, you were -- you saw the bike riders leave on their journey to washington and you were there today in washington when they arrived. what do you see as that kind of personal equipment we're seeing by people who care about this issue. >> and the courage these folks are showing, that these parents who lost loved ones who lost their friends and neighbors are showing not anger. not retribution, but commitment for real common sense gun laws.
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you just said it. 91% of the public. which i wonder if that is related to the about 90% of the public who think congress is is doing a lousy job. it is time for us to step up. >> when you look back at the kinds of events that have gal vanized real change, it is fascinating to look back at how hard people tried to pass gun reform after the assassination of the president in 1963 by a gun that would have been illegal by his own gun control measure that did not pass in congress. it was amazing to me they were not able to get anything passed and it took five years more and more assassinations until they were able to pass something in 1986. you look at back the husry, do you see any rhyme or reason in when we get change and when we don't? is there something magic that unlooks the possibility of change? >> i think children do and i think this is the sort of
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galvanizing event we saw with the birmingham bomb x. americans care deeply about their children. when we see this massacre when we saw it on des 14th, in this country with children at sunday school being blown up while worships, that galvanized this country to take on real change and i think we are on that moment. we adore our children. they are our future and we need to do better. it must be our wake-up call. >> you represent newtown.
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this week marks three months since the attacks in sandy hook elementary school. when you were elected to congress, you cannot have known that this was going to be the defining or at least dominating event of your time in congress and this time in your state and in some ways, this time in the country. what do you feel like you need to do to be the most effective advocate for the people of your town after this tragedy? >> well, i respond as a mother of three children who cares passionately about our future. and about every child in this country. and when i am thinking about what i need to do in congress, i think about what i would want someone to do for me if i were in this horrific position of these parents who have suffered the most unimaginable loss. every day, they are my thoughts and in my prayers and every day, i realize they're getting up to a much harder task, caring for
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other children and if they can do that, then i can get down on the floor of the house. i can go button hole senators, make phone calls and be a voice for them. for again, something common sense and simple. common sense reforms that respect the second amendment. it's just not that complicated. >> democrat of connecticut, thank you very much for your time tonight. nice to have you here. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. 91% public support for universal background checks. zero republican votes for it. that ratio cannot stand. it just politically is unsustainable. i don't care whether you agree, politically, that's not sustainable. all right. gun regulation is not the only suggest where the public and certain elected leaders are on different planets. we've got another one of those ahead. stick with us.
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campaign was being run, but mostly what was going on in july was mitt romney was being dodged by the question of his old tax returns. business week, what's romney hidinging in his tax returns? reuters said what romney hiding? this one, why mitt romney won't release his tax returns. this was becoming too much of a focus. republicans were in danger of the candidate getting swamped. mr. romney was getting swamped by the mystery of the tax returns, which he would not release, so republicans at that time of the campaign, july, they were trying as hard as they could to get the focus off the campaign, all these small questions about mitt romney's character and his financial history. they were trying to get the focus off those meddling questions and instead, turn the focus to big ideas. big ideas like the republican vision for the country. the clash of big, different ideas about where the country
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should go. republicans were stepping in as of july 2012 to help the romney campaign refocus. some of them were carping, some were trying to help. and notably among those trying to help was paul ryan. >> what i think this all means, maria, is whoever wins this election basically is going to determine what this looks like next year. yeah, we are stuck with this current situation and the log jam that has to be broken is going to have to come up on november 6th to decide which of these two features do they want and what we're saying is here's what we'll do if we win this election. here's what the tax system is going to look like and all of those things. trying to be as clear as possible to the country so they know what they're getting if they support us. >> so they know what they're getting. whoever wins this election. congressman paul ryan saying
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whoever wins gets to decide which plan for taxes and spending the country's going to get. we are trying to be as clear as possible, he says, about the choice between our republican plan and the democrat's plan. that's what this election is going to be about. make a choice, america. choose the republican idea or the democratic idea and then we'll have to live with it. that's what paul ryan said last july. come november, we did get to make that choice. we had that vote. mr. ryan himself was on the ticket as romney's running made. they were running on mr. ryan's budget. we had that vote and lost on the scale of presidential elections, this was not close. the country voted and voted against the romney and ryan vision by a clear margin, but hey, election, smelection. paul ryan is still a congressman, still has to make a living, so today, he tried out the paul ryan budget again as if the country never voted on it at all. it is almost exactly the same budget that the republicans ran on a few months ago when they
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lost. the new version kills medicare more than medicare, but it is the same idea. just like the old paul ryan budget, the new one comes with giant tax cuts for the richest people in the country and just like last time, mr. ryan does not say how the government would make up for the trillions in lost revenue. trust him, it's magic. just slash spending and cut tacks and somehow, it all works out. remember how mitt romney got pilloried for this for refusing to say how his tax plan would work? do you remember the website that mocked the romney ryan trust us plan with the button get the details that you just chased all over the screen. do you remember that mitt romney and paul ryan lost because americans voted against them and their no details, we'll tell you later, kill medicare plan for the country? bringing back the plan seals like a weird way to respond to
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on today's meeting between president obama and the sultan of brunei, did you hear how the sultan got to the meeting? >> so, overall, i'm very grateful he came over, his majesty's outstanding leadership. he got here yesterday and flew in his own 747, meaning he piloted it himself. i think he's the only head of state in the world who flies a 747 himself.
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so, in case air force one, you know, pilots have problems, you know who to consult. >> so, that's one more thing that the sultan of brunei has in common with john travolta. also, while we await word from the sistine chapel, this was the nbc news live camera shot we watched all day of the chimney, where we are watching of course for white snow to signal the new pope has been chosen, while we await news, it is worth noting that like the sultan of brunei and like john travolta, expope ameritus benedict is a pilot. he did not pilot himself, he could have done so if he wanted to. first one to submit the most plausible joke wins. the sultan, the pope and john travolta walking to an airport bar. and. regional american accent quiz. >> in march of 2012, the epa announced the first ever carbon
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from. she comes from massachusetts. where she is from and used to work for republican governor, mitt romney. she was a top environmental official in massachusetts under mitt romney and oversaw the implementation of mr. romney's climate action plan to combat global warming. the terror piece was a plan for massachusetts to join with the other states in the northeast in a regional cap and trade system. that was mitt romney's plan to be overseen by gina mccarthy, then he decided to get the republican nomination for president in 2008 and decided to turn against his ideas. he backed out of the regional cap and trade thing and all of his other climate stuff. gina mccarthy left what had become a dead end job because the boss decided to run for president. political ambition and environmental concerns mix about as well as oil and water.
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on the other hand, our current democratic president has made a really big deal about the subject from his length in treatment of the issue on his second inaugural address to his big speech accepting the nomination for president first lace last year. even little moments where the president was speaking to his export council and brought up how rising temperatures are going to raise issues as a means of shipping goods around the country, he talks about this issue all the time frequently and at length. of course, talk is one thing. talk is cheap, easy. what about action? amid headlines like this, do headlines get any -- temperatures highest in 4,000 years. at a time when "the wall street journal" is publishing the scariest chart ever and they're kind of known for their scary charts, look at that.
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look at that graph. temperature change over time. do you see how it shoots straight up like it hasn't in 11,000 years? at the time when the headlines look like that, but the idea of climate change is still a laugh line for one of two parties. republicans are opposed to doing anything about it. what is possible? some of what has been possible so far is encouraging the development of other forms of energy and other types of energy usage that could compete with traditional fossil fuels. in the presidential election became part of the stump speech, that there have been loans for the electric car company, tesla. mr. romney said that was investing in losers. now, they have released their annual report saying they will start early repam on its government backed loans. it is moving ahead of schedule to repay the investment, an investment that was made to try to goose the american
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development of cars that run on electricity instead of gas. here's the thing. that loan to tesla that republicans made such fun of, that loan that turned out great in the end. that was made through a loan program created in 2007. signed into law by a previous president named george w. bush and even when it is working, it is a laugh line to them. mitt romney was good on the climate issue until he wants to run for higher office. republicans were all for invest ting in electric car until they decided to call it a joke. what are our chances of moving forward at a time when half our political world is moving backward on this issue even against our own ideas? he is a nuclear physicist who beat ibm's computer at jeopardy. thanks for being with us. >> rachel, it's always good to
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be with you. >> when the republicans are trying to criticize or hold back this sort of investment, what impact do you think it is on innovation and new technologies that could help on issues of energy and climate change? >> i don't know how many wildfires, hurricanes, barges running aground in mississippi. tornados, it takes before people realize that facing up to is in the public interest and if that requires new research and dwom, somebody's got to pay for it and if the private sector is not paying enough for research, not providing the financing that we need for the development, there's nothing immoral or illogical about the federal government doing it. it is not public interest to do so and it often pays back big and for something as big a crisis as climate change, we
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should hope for a big payback. >> the common wisdom seems to be this president has a commitment to this issue, but the likelihood of doing anythinging through congress is nil in opposition to doing anything that acknowledges the problem, let alone tries to fix it. do you share that sort of skepticism? do you see any way your colleagues on the other side of the aisle might get more creative on this issue? >> on this issue, i'm not sure yet. there are a few promising signs. the violence against women act, the hurricane sandy relief, those were brought to the floor and passed with democratic votes. the speaker allowed that to happen, so that's, that's encouraging. on climate change, i still don't see it. i don't know what it's going
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take for people to wake up. they're just saying over and over again, we can't afford that. we can't afford to deal with it. we can't afford not to deal with it and we're not a poor, impoverished nation. we're just acting like one. we should be investing as if we believe there will be a future. in education, research and development and to view with those problems staring us in the face such as climate change. >> looking at this decision by tesla to early repay its loan at the same time, they're announcing they expect to be profitable this quarter. so obviously, we don't know in the long run whether or not that investment is going to pay off, but we can see some early signs that might have been a good move. given your background as a scientist and position as a congressman. are there other investments like that that you would like to see the government making, that you'd like to see the public sector endorsing that we haven't yet? >> the way we produce and use energy is the greatest insult to
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our plant. there are a myriad of projects that should be undertaken. energy efficiency, in new technology, fusion energy. networks, networks and energy storage for wind. all of those things and you know, there is an aversion to having the federal government involved. the federal government's been involved in research and it's worked out well. there are a couple of fellas named bren and paige doing a federal library, it turned into google. the human genome project. mris. that was a pretty good investment. we can see that by historical comparisons here and strikingly through other countries. climate change, which is costly in lives and dollars if we don't
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deal with it, it's staring us in the face as something we need to do research and development in. >> congressman, it's always good to talk to you. thank you very much. really appreciate your time. most striking contrast to me is what we are not able to do now. that republicans themselves were proposing we do just a few years ago. not just not proceeding, but making a u turn. be right back.
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if you are wonder why there's lots of mitt romney, it's partly by accident, but partly because it's his birthday. he turned 66 years old. he celebrated with a diet coke and cupcakes, this was posted online by his eldest son, tag. happy birthday, mr. romney, sincerely. what a difference a year makes. there was mitt romney at the conference in his son's office. does look like a festive scene,
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but nothing like the way he celebrated last year. >> do they have a cake for you because i understand it's your 65th birthday today. happy birthday. >> thank you so much. it's a happy birthday on the road and i'm hoping for a real big present tomorrow for alabama and mississippi. >> he ended up losing both to a man names rick santorum. that was march 13th, one year ago tomorrow. mr. romney of course did go on to rebound from those losses. he ended up sweeping the primaries. on may 15th, but then, then, may 17th happened. on may 17th, just as he was beginning to wrap up the nomination, mitt romney attended what ought to have been a run of the mill fund-raiser. at the home of a private equity manager in south florida.
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that fund-raiser was about to turn his entire campaign upside down. >> there are 47% of the people who have -- 47% with him, who are try to believe they are victims who believe the government has the responsibility to care for them, who believe they're entitled to health care, to food, to housing. my job is not to worry about those -- reasonability and care. >> 47% of americans cannot be convinced to take responsibility for their own lives and mitt romney is not going worry about those people. in the history of the 2012 campaign is written, that clip will get its own chapter, probably more than one.
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from the day it was exposed by david corn, it hung around romney's neck like a led anchor. even now four months after he lost the presidency, mitt romney is still trying to answer for those comments. >> i was a very unfortunate statement that i made. it's not what i meant. i didn't express myself as i wished i would have and it was very harmful. what i said is not what i believe. >> i'm so looking forward to that. thank you for joining us this hour. ed schultz is going to be joining us later this hour
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because his show has landed a really big scoop that is going >> i simply wanted his words to go out and everybody could make a judgment based on his words and his words alone. the guy was running for the presidency and these were his core beliefs and i think, you know, everybody can judge whether, you know, that's appropriate or not or they believe the same things he does, but i felt an obligation to expose things that he was saying. >> wow. joining us now, ed schultz, host of "the ed show." ed, first of all, congratulations on this scoop. i'm not going to ask you how you got this story, but it is an incredible one. >> the harder you work, luckier you get. this is a unique man, a man that didn't want anything to do with the limelight, didn't want to be in front of the story, didn't want to make any money on it. he wanted to make sure as a wage earner himself that people across america knew exactly what
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mitt romney was all about behind closed doors. he will tell this story tomorrow night, everything from taking the camera in there, setting it up, the environment, what he heard, what upset him, what motivated him, how he followed up, did his own research, and how he made the connections to reach out to people. this is a man who is -- i think has tremendous amount of integrity, and is not really a political, but someone that was aware of the seriousness of the discussion taking place in the presidential election, and i will give you this caveat that when it was recorded, he didn't know what to do with it. he actually sat on it for several weeks, tossed and turned, lost sleep over it, and he explains it all tomorrow night. >> wow. that is amazing. ed, can you tell us what made
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him want to come forward right now to tell his story after staying out of the limelight while it was breaking so big, why haven't we heard from him before now? why does he want to talk now? >> because of the clip you just played, rachel, when mitt romney on march 3rd went on fox news and was still in denial and said things that just didn't square up, he thought it was time to come out and do it now. and also with the fact that mitt romney is coming up to speak at cpac. it is a war on labor coming from the right and it is a war on people that are in the middle class and he wants to make sure that the american people know exactly that they're going back to the same old narrative and he was willing to inject himself into it. he has had a real tough time, you know, since this tape came up. he is somewhat of a marked man and he knows it and he'll explain all of that tomorrow
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night. >> wow. just amazing. i'm glad he sought you out or that you found each other. ed schultz, host of "the ed show" on msnbc. congratulations on this big scoop. this is the big remaining question mark from the campaign. and you have answered it. ed, congratulations. >> thank you, rachel. good to be with you. >> thanks. you can see that entire interview tomorrow on msnbc at 8:00 p.m. a moment of global empathy is the best new thing in the world today and that is next. stay with us. mallon brothers magic?
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